Don't add space between paragraphs of the same style
I'd like the option to not add space between paragraphs of the same style, even if those paragraphs have space above or below. Microsoft Word has a checkbox that does this, and it's great for list styles. You can create a list style with space above and below and then check that box so that space only appears before and after the list, not between list items.
In order to achieve the same effect in InDesign, you need three or more styles (one with space above but not below for the first item, one without space above or below for the middle items, and one with space below but not above for the last item). It makes setting documents with lots of lists a real chore.
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Rhiannon Miller commented
This feature is good, but needs a tweak to be even better. Can we have an option to not add space between styles within the same style group? This would allow consistent spacing with sub-bullets, second paragraphs, etc.
Mastery Sheets commented
@Jonathon Owen, I have the feature in version 14.0.1. Looks like you’ll need to upgrade.
Jonathon Owen commented
I'm still not seeing this feature. What version do I need? It looks like I have 13.1 installed.
Mastery Sheets commented
@ChristineU, as long as “Ignore” is selected in the “Spacing between paragraphs using the same style” box, the Space After works just like it always did. The primary reason I wanted the new feature was to make it so that bullet and numbered list items could have a different spacing than the list as a whole. If you create and use paragraph styles, rather than just adjusting the spacing by hand throughout your document, you can apply the spacing you want with one click.
I'm having trouble with this new feature (but I couldn't find out how you advise using it, because searching for "spacing between paragraphs using same style" gets no results on your site, or from Google). When I put a number into the "space after" box the old way, my three paragraphs with the same style got no spacing in between at all. I could not figure out why the "space after" box suddenly quit working. It was only when I put an amount into the "spacing between paragraphs using same style" box that my paragraphs got any spacing in-between. So now, if I have a series of paragraphs that use the same style, and need space after, I have to enter data into two boxes to get spacing after all of them, rather than just one box? Why did you change the whole system, instead of just adding a new option, for when the spacing needs to be tailored to be different in some sections? Every time you do this, I go to use an old feature that I've been happy with for decades, find it no longer works, and then have to waste a half hour trying to figure out what you changed.
I posted this already, but I repeat it here, because the question above is included:
To get much more than »only« custom spaces - an extented idea:
I think to make it nearly perfect, we need to implement another Group inside the ParagraphStyles - say »Exceptions« and built like the nested styles area, for example:
No intend ------- after ParagraphStyle --- Head
No intend ------- after ParagraphStyle --- Subline
(for List 1)
Space before --- after ParagraphStyle --- List 1 --- 2mm
Space before --- after ParagraphStyle --- List 2 --- 2mm
(and for List 2 etc.)
Space before --- after ParagraphStyle --- List 1 --- 1mm
With something like this we would be able to set many »exceptions« inside by using only one named ParagraphStyle ..
Oh my yes... I have been dying to have this set up for years... Can't understand why it hasn't been incorporated yet. Please, please push it out with the next update!!!
Or make ID spacing between paragraph work as in FrameMaker: the biggest value ‘has it’.
Shane Smith commented
Perhaps there could be a function for last line rather than no space between or both options. As an example, I often give less space between bullets and a larger space at the end of the list.
Jonathon Owen commented
I think it would make the most sense to have it in the Paragraph panel as well so it could be applied or overridden on individual paragraphs as needed.
Melise Gerber commented
I think it should be added to both the paragraph styles dialog and the paragraph panel.
Style best practices would be to create two different paragraph styles--one with spacing and one without--but there are always situations where you might only need this once in a document, and in that case, creating a second style is overkill.
Shane Smith commented
Basically works the same way as Word. Open Word and check out how they do it.
regarding you Question "…a user should be able to apply as an override using the Paragraph Panel as well or should this option be available only as part of a Paragraph Style."
Regarding all other functions in InDesign, this feature should be available in Paragraph Style + Paragraph Panel. Otherwise users would be confused.
I think it's important to have it as part of the paragraph panel as well, because there's always an exception. Although you may want it in most places, occasionally there will be an instance where for whatever reason you want to add or remove spacing, and if it's part of the style but not able to be overridden you'd have to remove the paragraph style in order to be able to adjust the spacing before/after. If your style was bullets (which is where I always use this option in Word) that would be a real pain! You would probably have to have two sets of bullet styles again, which is what this is supposed to solve.
I would prefer that it be part of a paragraph style--that would make its behavior the same as MS Word.
Egyed Serf commented
I think it should be override on the Control Panel just like all other settings.
So you can specify paragraph style as "Don't add space between paragraphs of the same style" (maybe on the Indent and Spacing tab) but when you want to switch off some special cases can do it on the Control Panel.
For example somebody defines a style "Quote" for short, accented sentences but at times "Quote" must use to a quote of three sentences. Now you must define styles Quote with space set after and before, and then three children of Quote, one space after only (for last sentence), one for space before only (for first) and one without spaces for middle sentences. (Or of course reverse.)
If I can define style this way I haven't to define child styles as well and can override this if I want add "extra" space within quote.
Joachim Tillessen commented
I'd say Paragraph Style is sufficient. You can override any spaces using the Paragraph Panel already. If you want to apply it only locally on certain paragraphs it's not so important to specify the relation to the style of the adjacent paragraph.
@Linn can you share an example of when you may want to override this setting. You could share the example in context of Word since this is where the setting is already present.
Overrideable would be great, for two reasons. Firstly, many (all?) other features are overrideable, which sets a sort of standard. Secondly, this is just the type of feature that needs the option som be overridden; in Word, I often use this setting but just as often I have the need to override it for specific paragraphs, which Word allows.
Felipe Santos commented
Its is so important. Until Word has this feature!!