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InDesign False Ligatures Bug

InDesign sometimes, seemingly randomly, replaces pairs such as hn, il, io, sy, ek, etc. with completely wrong glyph, such as accented Y, U, etc., when regular Ligature setting is applied. This has been a problem since CS5 and we recently had it occur in CC2015, so it is still there. Affected fonts have been many over the years, including licensed Adobe fonts. Fonts can be Open Type or PostScript. Language setting can be English US, UK, or seemingly anything else. The only thing that works to avoid it is to turn off Ligatures which is generally unacceptable, so the only workaround is a targeted GREP style to apply ligatures to only the pairs that should have them for that file. This is a long-standing problem which has been reported in forums various times and needs to be addressed. There is no sure fire way to reproduce the bug. Only thing that sometimes works is to brute force load/unload fonts until the problem occurs. It seems that once the problem occurs the first time it may then become more frequent on that computer. I know someone who has even seen the effects of this problem in printed material (i.e., in a book they were reading).

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    Scott Keeney shared this idea  ·   ·  Flag idea as inappropriate…  ·  Admin →
    Need more info  ·  Adminamaarora (Admin, Adobe InDesign) responded  · 

    Hi,
    We are looking at this issue. But because of its intermittent nature, we are unable to reproduce the issue.
    Can you share the sample files with which you are facing the issue?
    Are there any specific softwares installed on your system?
    You can mail me the files and information at amaarora@adobe.com

    Thanks,
    Aman

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      • Anonymous commented  ·   ·  Flag as inappropriate

        This is happening to me often. I unchecked ligatures in the character and open the file and there are ligatures in the file. I turn off ligatures and its OK for a while. Then it happens again, I check ligatures in the character panel and it's checked again.

      • John commented  ·   ·  Flag as inappropriate

        Has this ever been resolved as we are having the same issues.

        Cleaning font caches can resolve this, but we're looking for a more robust solution (one of which indesign does without us having to worry about missing it).

        It doesn't happen all the time and is very hard to replicate (as the thread suggests). It happens in CC2017 and CC2018 (as well as others reading other forums). The file is not the issue as when the problem occurs, we open the file on another mac and it is fine.

        It happens with various fonts, Avenir, Camphor, Myriad Pro so far we've had issues with.

        We run a mac environment, not all of the macs show the problem (even though they use the same fonts and versions of indesign and OS), it's confined to only a few of them.

        Is there any resolution to this?

      • Scott Keeney commented  ·   ·  Flag as inappropriate

        Aman, the problem is that the bug cannot be reproduced by taking some specific steps. The bug has been reported in the Adobe Forums multiple times for the past 7 years. It may be "rare" but if you are a company producing 1000s of titles per year, that so-called rarity is not rare enough, and when dealing with titles that will get 5 and sometimes 6 digit print runs, even once would be too much/expensive.

        For more details, why don't you read this thread which has the most thorough explication of the issue: https://forums.adobe.com/thread/792075

      • Gary commented  ·   ·  Flag as inappropriate

        I have the same issue in CS6. This guy had it in CS5.5 way back in 2011: https://forums.adobe.com/thread/792075 It is ridiculous that Adobe have not dealt with it yet (they can forget about me 'upgrading' to CC).

        I got around it by clearing font caches every day (using Smasher and/or Font Nuke) and switching ligatures off where I could. I had the problem with Goudy OS and Frutiger opentype fonts. It is not a problem that I can reproduce short of wondering if a file has lots of styles and some have ligatures enabled and others disabled.

      • Steve Jenks commented  ·   ·  Flag as inappropriate

        I have come across this a few times. It has always been a single font in a job that it happens to and, for me at least, has always been solved by disabling ligatures. Not ideal but it works.

      • Adminamaarora (Admin, Adobe InDesign) commented  ·   ·  Flag as inappropriate

        Hi,
        Yes that is the problem of "false ligatures" which has been there since quite a few versions of Indesign. I am also unable to reproduce this issue consistently but yes it does occur.
        Do let me know if you find some concrete steps so that it can be looked into.

        -Aman

      • Anonymous commented  ·   ·  Flag as inappropriate

        We are using InDesign CC. In our InDesign file, the word "weeks" is spelled correctly. The font is Helvetica Neue LT Std. When we exported the file to PDF, "weeks" became "wefis"
        We have since been unable to recreate this oddity. We've turned ligatures off and on. We've also tried turning discretionary ligatures and contextual alternates on and off and was unable to reproduce the error. We've recreated the steps on 3 different computers but was unable to reproduce this error. We need to know how this error occurs and how it can be fixed so we can avoid costly spoilages in the future.

      • Adminamaarora (Admin, Adobe InDesign) commented  ·   ·  Flag as inappropriate

        Hi,
        Yes this is a known issue which happens rarely, especially when exporting an indd to .pdf wherein the pdf contains "false ligatures"
        If you can share the .indd file along with some steps to reproduce the problem it would be great

        -Aman

      • Anonymous commented  ·   ·  Flag as inappropriate

        We are having random issues with a ligature changing to an incorrect character.

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