Grouped items revert to previous layers when moved then ungrouped
InDesign CC 13.1, Windows 10
When I have a group that contains items from various layers, and I move this to a new layer, when I ungroup those items they revert back to their original layers.
I understand the concept that grouping remembers layers, and I like this feature! It used to bug me that grouping brought everything onto the same layer, sometimes altering the appearance. However this seems like an unintended consequence.
Say I have an item on Layer 1 and an item above it on Layer 2. Grouping these items makes them both "appear" to be on Layer 2, which is great. I then use the layers palette to move these items up to Layer 3. When I ungroup them, they revert to Layers 1 and 2.
This shouldn't happen, because I have moved them since I grouped them, which should override their previous layer designations.
Comments welcome if you feel like this would cause other issues!
This looks more like a feature modification request.
I am therefore moving this to the “Feature Request” section.
Please keep adding your use-cases.
I feel like this is the weirdest "feature" i've ever seen on an adobe program, which is saying something. Why would I want the layers in a group to go to a completely different layer than I have them in just because I ungrouped it? Especially when I copy/pasted from a different layer, it defeats the point.
Once a group has been moved/copied & pasted from one layer to another it should "forget" the original layers the elements came from.
Can a "fix" for this feature be brought back up in the requests again? I see this is from way back in 2018 and still has not been resolved as of 2022. And holy cow is this giving me problems right now. I have grouped items I've copied and pasted onto a specific layer, and it's still moving everything onto a previous, locked layer where some of the objects in the group "originated" at some point if I have to ungroup them for anything. It really shouldn't let you paste into a locked layer without some sort of warning dialogue at minimum. The entire point of having a layer locked was so I could work on top of it without affecting it. I know this is technically a feature, but this part of it really makes it behave more like a bug. And it doesn't seem logical to let someone physically paste the object in one layer together intentionally and then undo that the moment they ungroup.
Simply-- where in InDesign CS6 / Windows 10 can I find the option for "Ungroup Remembers Layers"
so that I can toggle and choose when to use it or its presumed opposite "Ungroup Forgets Layers" ??
This used to be a feature, according to all the online searches I made.
But I cannot find a "Layers Flyout" that would let me do that. Or any other place for such an option.
David Mear commented
This currently modifies LOCKED layers, which seems like a significant issue.
- Make a new document
- Add a second layer
- Make two rectangles on layer one.
- Group them
- Move the group to layer two
- Lock layer one
- Ungroup the rectangles
Expected result: Ungrouped rectangles either remain on layer 2, or a warning pops up about the locked layer.
Current result: Ungrouped rectangles move to the locked layer 1, and become unselectable. Trying to continue editing the objects brings up the "layer is hidden or locked" dialog box.
I agree that once a group is moved it should then forget the original layers, or at least have preference to toggle on whether it does so or not.
Just lately, in the last update or so (CC 2019), I've noticed that if I group several objects on one single layer, then move that group to another layer and ungroup them, they will all return to the original layer. It can't be an intended consequence that ungrouping returns objects to a different layer even if they were all part of the same layer in the first place?
I wasn't previously aware of this feature but I've had to look it up to turn it off. Googling suggests it's been around since at least 2014, was it that I've never had it turned on and one of the latest updates now turns it on by default? Or has it always been on and now it's not working as expected/been "improved"?
Yes this is happening to me as well I have a set of grouped items from one file that I pasted into another file on a new layer (layer 2) but when I come to ungroup them they all jump to layer 1. This makes no sense to me.
OK, imagine you're making a map and have everything on two layers: "Shapes" and "Text". Text is at the top. You make information bubbles that are always on top of everything else, which consist of a circle and a text box over it, on their respective layers. Group them so they are always moved together.
We then later on make another layer called "Images" at the top and place images on it. We want the images to be on top of the shapes, but now they cover the information bubbles, which are supposed to be the topmost things. So create another layer called "Bubbles", select all the bubbles and drag them to the "Bubbles" layer which is now the top layer.
The important thing here is that I have moved these grouped objects to a new layer, so in my mind they have been re-homed.
Later on I decide that I want the proportions of the bubbles to be different, with a bigger circle but the text the same. I ungroup the objects, and any of them that are on top of an image now disappear because they have gone back to their original layers.
My suggestion is that once a grouped object has been moved to a new layer, the objects it consists of should permanently be moved there and given the stack order that it had based on the previous layer assignments.