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Outlining text removes underlines (line above and below)

When supplying PDFs to printers they often/always require all text to be outlined. If you put an underline on any text and than go 'Type > Create Outlines', only the text becomes outlined and it completely removes any underline (line above and below that I've setup in paragraph styles). Expected results: To have the text outlined and retain the line above/below.

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    Damian shared this idea  ·   ·  Flag idea as inappropriate…  ·  Admin →
    under review  ·  AdminRavi Kiran (Admin, Adobe InDesign) responded  · 

    Thanks for reporting this issue. We understand why the present behavior is not desirable for your needs.
    We are going to consider this as a Feature Request. Accordingly, we’ve moved this to the Feature Request category in Uservoice.

    Thanks,
    Adobe InDesign team

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      • Tom Johnstone commented  ·   ·  Flag as inappropriate

        Paragraph rules are also not working as intended. These should not disappear when text is outlined.

      • Dariusz commented  ·   ·  Flag as inappropriate

        Also, it would be very handy to have an option/switch to outline all text in the document automatically when exporting to PDF or EPS file. Please make it happen. Thank you.

      • Dariusz commented  ·   ·  Flag as inappropriate

        Ravi. It just caught my attention. The post you sent me the link for is from 2008. Wow!!! You know about this problem since 2008 and you did nothing to fix it. 10 whole years. I am very disappointed.

      • Dariusz commented  ·   ·  Flag as inappropriate

        This does not solve the problem. If you open the link and read the thread you will see that it is only a workaround and it is not a bullet proof solution. I am paying for the software and I expect it to work as intended. I should just select Create Outlines and all text, including bullets, glyphs, underlines, etc. in the whole document should be convert to outlines. NO WORKAROUNDS. This is unacceptable. There could be many reasons why we need to convert text to outlines and this is nobody's business to comment on it like David Blatner did in his post. For example a PDF file exported from InDesign and imported to CorelDraw can create issues with text if not converted to outlines. The bottom line is that the Create Outlines functionality does not work properly and it needs to be fixed. In my case the artwork was already approved by the client, and I was exporting it for production. If I did not catch those missing bullets, tell me who would pick up the bill for the product that would be printed and rejected by the client. Maybe I should send that bill to Adobe, as this is Adobe's responsibility to provide us bug free product. We depend on it and we pay great deal of money for it. So, please Adobe, before you introduce any new features fix bugs and glitches first. It costs us, designers, great deal of time to figure out the workarounds. Just so you know.
        THIS CASE IS NOT RESOLVED.

      • Dariusz commented  ·   ·  Flag as inappropriate

        Bullets disappear when a copy associated with it gets converted to outlines. They just vanish. It does not matter if you use a keyboard shortcut or go to menu and select Create Outlines. It does not matter if the Bulleted List or Numbered List is used. Obviously the expected result would be to have the bullets in place after the conversion. I am using the current version of InDesign v.13.0.1 x64
        I was stunt when I discovered what happens to the bullets. I need this to be fixed asap as I have a project I need to finish.

      • Anonymous commented  ·   ·  Flag as inappropriate

        Most of all our printers as for outlined text. So this is still very much and issue when it comes to outlining fonts.

      • Adminamaarora (Admin, Adobe InDesign) commented  ·   ·  Flag as inappropriate

        Hi,
        Thanks for pointing out that behaviour. But this is a designed behaviour. Underline is a property of text and is applied on text. When you select text and convert it to outlines... it no longer remains text but turns to an image. It becomes raterized.
        At the same time, please readhttps://indesignsecrets.com/outlining-fonts-is-it-necessary.php that explains nicely why you dont need to convert text to outline while providing it to printer...

        -Aman

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